so..its been bout 2 days..how are people performin with 32/39 and/or 44/27?

[Domone]

I've been trying to run some tests, im currently running 32/39 with no garg, i felt like it provided no dps boost whatsoever if anything i drop. However i've been really looking into 44/27 but i'm still not sure if its a dps boost from 32/39. I'm doing decent dps with 32/39 so far, but its definitely lot more difficult to hold no.1 spot (like i always had on lock prior) now, i've definitely had a drop of dps though.

What have people been finding? as far as builds go?
have people find alternative builds other then those 2? I've been scanning forums best i can find people's results, but not coming across much information.

i've been trying to use the training dummy as well, but my numbers are always so off compared to raids..bc my build scales really well with raid buffs which i do not have on dummies, plus necrosis doesn't work too well on dummies from looks of it

any help be great..just tryin to be best DW dps as i can be atm i've developed a bit of a rep in my guild as being the DPSer to beat..id like to keep that lol

[Tiarnan]

I did some Dummy testing (The Highlord Nemesis one) both before and after the patch.
Would have done some patchwerk testing but iam usually unlucky and we are missing an offtank for that fight, and havent done naxx yet after the patch.

Anyway, for the dummy i was able to keep roughly 2750 dps or so prepatch with the 44/27 spec over a timeline of about 15 minutes.

My stats were at about 3080 unbuffed AP, somewhere around 23-25% crit, 340 hit rating. And having Broken Promise in MH (Yes i know its a tanking sword, but better dps then what i have been able to get my hands on so far) and Hailstorm in my OH With Crusader/Cinder enchants.

I did the same test yesterday after the patch and dropped to 2550 dps over the same amount of time. My rotations got a bit messy though post patch as HB's tooltip didnt show the CD and it became a bit annoying to time it properly. Rest of the dps loss came from the Gargoyle and possibly KM, and my Ghoul was roughly doing the same amount of dps. Problem with this test was ofc that i didnt get to test out the Necrosis buff so technically the dps drop should be a bit smaller than 200 i assume. However in a raid enviorment the gap would probably be bigger ofc.

Going Naxx today though so might be able to get a better look at my preformance, that is if iam gonna bother to specc back to 44/27 as iam playing as 2h Unholy atm since i didnt really like 44/27 while pvping.

Hope this was somewhat useful atleast

[Tigga]

It is important to know if you use DC or glyphed FS with 44/27.

[Tiarnan]

ye both my tests were done with unglyphed Frost Strike btw as i didnt use the glyph before the patch and never got around to getting it yet

[Nev]

Horrible

44/27 DW : http://wowwebstats.com/i6jvufjitzndg?s=140115-170250

[LaCroixNoir]

Horrible

44/27 DW : http://wowwebstats.com/i6jvufjitzndg?s=140115-170250

5k DPS is hardly horrible. Certainly less than what you were doing.

Nev where you using FS to dump and was it glyphed?

[Hymn]

just ran through his log, he was using FS as a dump and I'd assume he glyphed for it. His HB damage dropped all the way to 13% of his damage which is much much lower than pre-patch. the Ghoul came up a few percent. and the gargoyle... well dropped a lot in percentage, only doing 4%.

Thanks for the wws nev

[Kaleyen]

I'm 44/27 and last night was horrible for me.

First off, the bug with HB was annoying as I wasn't sure if it was up or down until I had to start to actually count it down.  Once I started to count it down my DPS did increase but nothing amazing.

When I popped Gargoyle my DPS actually went down~ (going to spec outta it tonight).

On trash mobs we had Warlocks and Mages doing over 20k DPS (use recount) yet GC said DK aoe was too high?

Our TG Warrior stomped me into the ground last night...

Here's our WWS...keep in mind it's nothing like Nev's as my guild isn't in the same place as his, thus our DPS is lower all around.  I'm not posting it to have people tell me that I suck, or my guild sucks but to use it as a tool as guilds are not all at the same place in terms of progression.

http://wowwebstats.com/vb4kp1fen2sp1

Like I mentioned, I was having some issues with my rotations due to buggy HB but started to work it out later in the night.

[Hymn]

Running through Nev's log some more I decided to take a swing at testing gargoyles worth so I did a little bit of math

The gargoyle did
27820+561(28381) over 30 sec or 946 dps while alive.

In a 30 second period, starting from start of an RP dump Nev did 8 frost strikes in 30 seconds

His FS was doing an avg of 2333 on hit and and avg of 5251 crit witha  54% crit chance. lets fudge this to 50% for ease

So in 8 FS, 4crit 4 hit, 2333x4 + 5251x4 = 9332+21004 = 30336 over 30 seconds or 1011.2 dps.

This doesnt account for the fact that I think he threw one FS during gargoyle. Which if you can weasle it out, pushes it in gargs favor provided it lives and stays up the entire time. But for the hassle of the gargoyle, he seems to be pretty unimpressive.

[Drakin]

i removed the gargoyle and stuck a 2nd point in night of the dead instead, making sure my ghoul stay's alive alot longer is worth more then a poxy gargoyle that isn't viable anymore imo.

making it look like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jZG0ex0xbRhoZfzhhxcoxcq0do

[Domone]

Hmm that very interesting information, thanks a lot for everyone replying, especially Nev & Hymm.

Thanks especially for the math crunch hymm...im the most Anti-math guy there is and really bad with numbers so its nice to see others able to do it that part for me to clarify. When i was using the Boss Dummy without popping garg i was doing about 2k dps self buffed (horn of winter) when i popped garg the 2nd time, i dropped to about 1780 DPS. This was using the 32/39 build

I noticed the last poster mentioning dropping the point out of garg (which i did) just wondering how effective your performing with 32/39? and also wondering in general how 32/39 is comparing with 44/27 does 32 still come out on top? I have class in a few minutes so I can't right now, but later today i plan on trying to hit the Training Dummy again, see if i can get some more data

[THECames]

As to the warlock AE thing.  I seeded up a pack in The Eye back in BC and pulled 9K dps for the few seconds I was alive.  20K+ would not surprise me on AE packs in Naxx. 

[Drakin]

Hmm that very interesting information, thanks a lot for everyone replying, especially Nev & Hymm.

Thanks especially for the math crunch hymm...im the most Anti-math guy there is and really bad with numbers so its nice to see others able to do it that part for me to clarify. When i was using the Boss Dummy without popping garg i was doing about 2k dps self buffed (horn of winter) when i popped garg the 2nd time, i dropped to about 1780 DPS. This was using the 32/39 build

I noticed the last poster mentioning dropping the point out of garg (which i did) just wondering how effective your performing with 32/39? and also wondering in general how 32/39 is comparing with 44/27 does 32 still come out on top? I have class in a few minutes so I can't right now, but later today i plan on trying to hit the Training Dummy again, see if i can get some more data

I'm doing about 2.4k on the hc dummy myself, and i put the 2nd point in night of the dead as i found my ghoul dying fairly quick even in hc's.
I'm still using F/F weapons as well.

[Drakin]

As to the warlock AE thing.  I seeded up a pack in The Eye back in BC and pulled 9K dps for the few seconds I was alive.  20K+ would not surprise me on AE packs in Naxx. 

on behalf of our guild lock, bring a repair bot with ya 

[Nev]

Yes, as hymn stated, I was frost striking and it is glyphed of course.