so..its been bout 2 days..how are people performin with 32/39 and/or 44/27?

[Hiroh]

P.S. I loathe RL/Loot Masters who pass my winning rolls to their RL friends who are not members of the guild.  I won The Jawbone and the Betrayer of Humanity on a Naxx run.  RL stated I was DW and was not getting any 2H weapons and I should'nt roll.  I also OT when called upon and I would like to upgrade my Titansteel Destroyer.  What do you think about that? 

i would also agree with your raid leader. Your talking about gear for an off-spec and if there is someone in raid who needs it for their main spec you have no business rolling on that. if the only other people interested in the 2H are also trying for offspec then you should both be allowed to roll for it. On the flip side of it, if no one in the raid wants the item and its going to get disenchanted you should certainly be given it, if your raid leader says no to that then you need to find a new guild.

[Valkyris]

First post! Alright, Let's get down to business.

Since 3.0.8 hit, I decided to continue with good o' 32/39 (w/Gargoyle). DPS on heroic dummy seems 3.1k stable.

Today i decided to attempt 44/27. DPS fell short by 300 average.

Each test was done over a period of 5 minutes.

Rotations used

32/39

PS - IT - HB - BS - BS /Dump
PS - IT - HB - IT - IT /Dump

I also made sure to look out for KM procs so if possible i'd replace an IT for HB.

44/27

PS - IT - HB - BS - BS / FS Dump
PS - IT - HB - IT - IT / FS Dump

Same deal with HB and IT. But like many, i found myself spamming IT a lot more. Perhaps i missed HBs.


Any feed back would be great.


-Valk

[Deify]

agreed. Ran Heroic Naxx last night as 44/27 spec.  Andry Dread MH split greathammer OH FC/RI enchants.

We had a 32/39 specced DK in there also. I was always 2-400 dps short of him the entire night and only managed to outdps him on some trash pulls and thaddius. I was in BP for half of the raid and the other half i switched to uh. UH presence imo is def the way to go if you planing on spamming FS as your RD. Granted i'm pretty new to DW and i dont have the best gear possible, i found it very hard to keep up. There were some fights where he just completely destroyed everyone by a large amount.

I'm not givong up on this spec yet as i think it has great potential and does do a good deal of damage. However im an egomaniac and want to put out the best dps i can lol.

[Shinigami]

i was bored so decided to do 2 5min dps records with exact same gear just once in unholy and 2nd in blood

Unholy



Blood

[Mindfield]

I think that this needs to be said; you can't use the dummies or anything in-fact other then actual raiding to properly analyze raid builds. There are SO many factors that just can't be emulated on the training dummy that are common place in raids, movement for example. There is also the annoying factor that on any training dummy, some of 32/39 and 44/27 core abilities will cease to function. Necrosis and BCB(?) will hit for 1 damage whilst the boss dummy is at 1 health, and therefor will give you skewed results for UP & BP. The other main thing is that on the Archerus training dummy, you're going to have the Echoes of Lordaeron buff sometimes and sometimes not, giving you a further 5% damage sometimes and not all the time.

In my opinion the only viable "Hey, look, I tested out x build for raiding, check it out" screenshot, can be a screenshot of a dead boss with your recount up. No offense meant to those that have been posting up dummy SS's, but a more accurate representation of your builds effectiveness in raiding would be to actually raid with it and then show us .

Mind

[Shinigami]

the only point of showing these 2 screen shots was just a look into the differences of unholy vs blood pres while DW it terms of all situations being the exact same rotation buffs target and so on

[Tython]

032/39 and variants.  I have invested about 400g in trying out different specs post patch.  I am a dedictated DW that uses The Angry Dread(MH) and The Split Greathammer(OH).  I have been most impressived with my 0/33/38 build.  I was either 1st or 2nd on the Recount for the 10m and 25m Vault/Sartharion respectfully.  The 25m DPS was highest fighting Sartharion where I hit 5100 including pets.  I will post my armory and try to get a wws when I can.  I am not trying to compare numbers, I just want to express that I feel this spec is still the optimal spec for DW DPS.  I do like the 0/20/51, but I have yet to run any 25ms with it.  All my testing was on the Ebon hold elite dummy save for the 10 and 25 mans I ran with 0/33/38.  I do feel that I am spamming IT a lot and thet HB doesn't pull through for me when KM procs.  I will get some hard numbers when I can go toe to toe with Patch and have everything recorded digitally.

P.S. I loathe RL/Loot Masters who pass my winning rolls to their RL friends who are not members of the guild.  I won The Jawbone and the Betrayer of Humanity on a Naxx run.  RL stated I was DW and was not getting any 2H weapons and I should'nt roll.  I also OT when called upon and I would like to upgrade my Titansteel Destroyer.  What do you think about that? 

I actually disagree with your Raid Leader. Your offspec is Tanking. Your main spec is DPS. That would be the equivalent of telling a dagger rogue he couldn't roll on a sword if it was an upgrade. That's just my opinion but if you never plan to dps with a 2 hander and only OT with it, then I wouldn't roll on it. The Inevitable Defeat would be best for tanking. If you're trying out different dps specs and need a strong 2 hander to do that, you could always try the axe off Kel in 10 man if you have no luck in 25.

[THECames]

Depends on your guild.  We used DKP throughout EQ but have moved on to Master Looting.  We use Wish Lists to get gear needs prioritized.  If there was a 2handed DPSer (or even potentially a 2handed Tank) that those were upgrades for, and you were a dw dpser then we would give those items to the 2handed folks first.  If you are going to take a Betrayer and stick it in your bag for your offspec, when somebody will equip it as a main spec then I agree with them.  It has nothing to do with your current dps or your offspec, it has to do with with maximizing your guild's main specs.  Now, if you have told them that you are just DWing until you get a good DPS mainhand (then you will switch back to a standard 2hd build) it is a lot closer of a call.

[Tython]

Depends on your guild.  We used DKP throughout EQ but have moved on to Master Looting.  We use Wish Lists to get gear needs prioritized.  If there was a 2handed DPSer (or even potentially a 2handed Tank) that those were upgrades for, and you were a dw dpser then we would give those items to the 2handed folks first.  If you are going to take a Betrayer and stick it in your bag for your offspec, when somebody will equip it as a main spec then I agree with them.  It has nothing to do with your current dps or your offspec, it has to do with with maximizing your guild's main specs.  Now, if you have told them that you are just DWing until you get a good DPS mainhand (then you will switch back to a standard 2hd build) it is a lot closer of a call.

This. My guild uses suicide kings so it's really fair despite my love of our old BC dkp system. You can always talk to your regular raiders. Some might be willing to pass on the Jawbone for example for you to test out 2 handed builds in favor of them taking the BoH.

[Nev]

Loot drama shouldn't be discussed here.

[Tython]

Loot drama shouldn't be discussed here.

Yeah blame me for that. I'll get this thread back on track as penance...

From my limited tests, I've found a heavy frost build such as 44/27 is really dependant on raid composition. For example, I run with an enhancement shaman so the 20% melee haste from Icy Talons is wasted, our MT is a frost DK so other abilities are also wasted such as frost aura (I know it's not a dps talent but still..), and the frost tree is getting reshuffled so we already know Blood of the North is getting reduced to 3 pts.

Overall what you're losing in a 44/27 spec is less ghoul survivability which with my orc racial (5% extra pet dps), hurts when he dies and I can't resummon. Desecration and Bone shield is another roughly 7% dps loss. You're gaining Guile of the Gorefiend, more BS damage from BotN, and a harder hitting rune dump with FS (running S/F) but I've been spoiled with DC's range and let's not forget Crypt Fever which is a 3rd disease lost (only me and the MT are the only DK's my guild usually runs with).

Overall (sorry if I've been long winded), I'd have to say 44/27 is a dps loss and it gets worse depending on raid composition which is something I don't think was really addressed in this thread. It may be better when the frost tree gets reshuffled and I think it's definately worth it to reevaluate this spec when 3.1 comes to the PTR.

[Gilgilad]

So, I recently switched from 0/32/39 to 0/45/26 since we always run with a deep Unholy DK and I'm tired of wasting my points in Crypt Fever.  I had been using Widow's Fury (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39730) in the main hand and Maexxna's Femur (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39226) in the off-hand with 32/39.  I hadn't picked up any slow 1H weapons so I kept using the same weapons with 45/26 and didn't notice much difference in damage from 32/39. 

Anyway, last night on a random Naxx 10 run I picked up Torment of the Banished (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39291).  Now my problem is that Torment has a higher damage range which seems to me would be better in my MH for 45/36 with Frost Strike (and minimally Blood Strike and Plague Strike)...but its lower dps than Widow's Fury.

I'm left with two choices, keep the same weapons I had where they were...WF in main hand and MF in off-hand or put the Torment in the main hand and Widow's Fury in the off-hand.  Anyone able to help me out with whether or not the increased strike damage is worth putting the lower dps weapon in the main hand and the higher dps weapon in the off-hand?  In either case I'm using a 143 dps weapon in one hand and a 156 dps weapon in the other...just trying to figure out in which hand to place each basically.