The Official Build Thread for 3.1

[Hymn]

As the dust begins to settle, it's time we get some real work done here.
I encourage people to get on the PTR and test, I'm also willing to do some (NOT all) testing for people.

Tonight and I messed around with a couple of frost specs and I was finding something like this was working nicely for an option in deep frost. I was running glyph of FS, Obliterate and disease. IT may be a better choice, didn't spend enough time to really figure that out because I needed to get comfortable with both rotations.

FSx = Frost strike x times, where x equals amount available

PS-IT-OB-BS-BS-FSx-OB-OB-IT-Pest-FSx

was doing about 4,000 dps on the boss dummy in Acherus, summoning the ghoul consistently, and adding approx 20% white damage for necrosis. Obviously slightly inaccurate, and yet, impressive imo.

Anyone else have suggestions for this build, or other builds they've done testing or theorycrafting on?

edit: Updated the link to use subversion, as well as resolved to see how much dps glyph of the ghoul adds over a long fight with two points in night of the dead.

[Nev]

I was toying with a few builds myself. In unholy 2/10/59 and 12/0/59 seem about the same on the dummy, but since 2/10/59 is less reliant on the horribly scaling bladed armor, I'm guessing it will pull ahead in raids.

Standard unholy rotation for both.

was toying with a couple frost specs too, will add them later.

[THECames]

This is probably where I am going to start:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=23050205300033032310231013510000000000000000000000000000230130335000000000000000000000&glyph=100806040105&version=9767

I have always done Blood as my normal build.  The reason for the 1/2 in Outbreak is to give me an extra few seconds on diseases.

IT - PS - DS - HS - HS - DC

DS - DS - HS - HS - DC Dump

[Gorgrom]

As the dust begins to settle, it's time we get some real work done here.
I encourage people to get on the PTR and test, I'm also willing to do some (NOT all) testing for people.

Tonight and I messed around with a couple of frost specs and I was finding something like this was working nicely for an option in deep frost. I was running glyph of FS, ghoul and disease. IT may be a better choice, didn't spend enough time to really figure that out because I needed to get comfortable with both rotations.

FSx = Frost strike x times, where x equals amount available

PS-IT-OB-BS-BS-FSx-OB-OB-IT-Pest-FSx

was doing about 4,000 dps on the boss dummy in Acherus, summoning the ghoul consistently, and adding approx 20% white damage for necrosis. Obviously slightly inaccurate, and yet, impressive imo.

Anyone else have suggestions for this build, or other builds they've done testing or theorycrafting on?

Your Glyphs should be FS, OB, IT or HB

There are a few different rotations floating around you want to maximize your Obliterates however as that is now what procs rime and gives you a free howling blast. I tried one like this recently:

BT>IT>OB>OB>BS>FSx PS>OB>OB>BS>FSx I think it was not 100% sure but something like that.
or this one
PS/IT/OB/BS/BS>FSx OB/OB/OB>FSx


You are very close to the most popular raid build being tested at EJ only difference is they are taking 3 from unholy and putting it into subversion for some threat reduction. The 21/50 build is also viable still. The only kink in the works is 4pt7 is really what gives frost the edge in live right now and it may well be so valuable that you will see alot of dk's still using it in ulduar over t8. Time will tell.

[Hymn]

Should be interesting to see if subversion is needed or not, I skipped it without thinking because I've done it so many times in dual wield specs but with the bursty two hander and some increased dps in ulduar the warrior tanks at least might not keep up

Edit: wewt for discussion on a discussion site!

[THECames]

Subversion is pretty useful Hymn.  Basically, it means I can turn off Omen unless my tanks are morons.  Truth is on trash we use some people who are quite subpar and the healers are used to me taking one or two mobs.  I just click IBF and tank away.  Hurts my trash dps but who cares. 

[Hymn]

I've been blessed with some stellar tanks and at this scaling with or without subversion I'm not spending much time watching omen. But you never know if/when my dps will scale faster than their threat

Of course that said, BCB sucks for two handers

[Tigger]

If I am not mistaken doesn't OB still hit hard and if it does using glyph of Disease will be better, than either ghoul or IT. The rotation I was thinking of was PS-IT-OB-BS-BS-FSx then OB-OB-BS-Pest-FSx repeat. This way u neva gotta use PS or IT just one pest, BS and 2 OB with rune dump.

But still please correct me if i am wrong.

[Auki]

So basically, I'm looking for what the optimal 3.1 blood dps spec will be and rotation, I was unable to get on the ptr for various reasons, anyone have any info?

[Darkonte]

Im really sad about the patch to be honest ... maybe im too used to the DWing but my dps has dropped significantly.

Ive been checking many speccs and rotations in the last week (PTR and life) ... and i dont see any 2hander specc that is really good ... maybe the rotations are too tight for my playing style or something, and i also think that the core intent of Blzrd to make all the talent trees like the same dps is making all of them poor in deepness.

just need some cheer from you guys (and chicks) and tell me how are u doing!!!

lets have fun spreading diseases

[MaximusDeath]

things may seem bad but last night with the horrible lag and a pretty mobil fight in VoA 25m the new guy i was pulling around 4k dps and i have the shitty crafted 2her(had BiS Dw items but DW died for me) i was still in the top 3 dps on the boss with the frost spec, so things seem just fine for me

[Hymn]

Nev's suggested 2/10/59 spec seems to work really well too, i swapped one point in it but otherwise running the identical spec to his I've been able to keep my position as one of the highest dps in my guild.

[Nev]

Have you tried a 12/0/59 as well, Hymn?.

2/10/59 or 0/10/61 are probably going to out scale 12/0/59 in BiS ulduar gear but I can't see it working better yet.

note: both of those builds have Imp Unholy Pres. They are still run in blood presence; the talent is for runspeed only. Ulduar has alot of movement and less movement = more dps. If you disagree with me, drop the points into Necrosis instead.

Blood still friggin' owns.

Frost is very interesting at best. Going to try a spec with glyph of disease tonight maybe. What I have been running is 3/51/17 with a rotation like PS IT OB BS BS FSxn OB OB OB FSxn. HB on rime procs before next ability as long as it's not between 2 BSs. Unholy presence.

[architekt]

Let us know how the frost works out.

I'd like to know what blood spec you're using as a comparison. I've been blood for a long while now and like the raw simplicity of it yet I haven't been able to hit decent numbers with it compared to frost.

Thanks for the info.

-Arch

[Hymn]

I *think* next raid im going to set one spec to 0/10/61 and one to 12/0/59 and alternate back and forth to try both out on the same boss attempts, that way I can get more testing under identical conditions.