Dual Wield Q&A

[Hymn]

It looks like you're doing pretty good, once you add int he ghoul on the fights its not registered on.

how do i avg in my ghoul hymn? what do i look at to get his dps numbers?

you have to go to the combat log on WWS and look for his name, then click it and add up the damage he did then divide by the fight duration

[sixpackje]

okay got a few new items like chest from saph and my hitrating now goes to 447 max

is this just to much and should i drop down closer to 300 i nfavor for some crit?

also wich is  better, razorice or cinderglacier


greets sixpackje- Twisting nether -EU

[Saeng]

In theory you need 925ish hit rating to "cap" as dual-wield.  That having been said, you are pretty much beating a dead horse after 300-350ish.  I'd drop it down for another stat you're lacking in, be that crit, str, haste etc.

As for the rune, I use Fallen Crusader on my main, and Razorice on my offhand.

[Nev]

In theory you need 925ish hit rating to "cap" as dual-wield.  That having been said, you are pretty much beating a dead horse after 300-350ish.  I'd drop it down for another stat you're lacking in, be that crit, str, haste etc.

As for the rune, I use Fallen Crusader on my main, and Razorice on my offhand.

I hate when people mention the DW hard hit cap.

Don't get anywhere close to that kind of hit rating, Saeng is correct in saying that 300-350 is all anyone would ever need in a raid setting, I run with 320-350 and it works great. You should try and drop some of your hit for Str/AP if possible.

Also, as far as runeforging goes, the highest personal dps choice is Cinderglacier/Crusader, but not by that much.

[Nev]

Hmm, hi there im a newcomling to this forum and all, i've been reading a lot of the stuff here but i just cant seem to decide what to go for with my gear, i've seen other pplz just putting theyre armory link here and ask for a descent specc, and thats just the thing im going to do .
Well link: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kul+Tiras&n=Monor%C3%AC
Well i should have alot of hit here, so what can you work out with it?

Now any tip is welcome but i'd really prefer a specc with a rotation both for aoe and for single targeting. I love aoe btw. Atm my dps through a VH heroic is around 2k and upwards till around 2,7k on a good day. I'd like that to go to 2,5k and up, increasing both 5 man and raid dps ofc. Well hope to hear from any of u soon, and i'd like a dw specc so i can test that out.

Long and naggy reply but i'd love to have someone to help me out here.

Cheers, Monori

Hm, Switching to any DW spec except 13/32/26 is going to be rough for you, your AP is a little on the low side since you're relying on bladed armor, witch is about 260 AP for you, your 2h is almost 200 AP as well. Switching to a 32/39 or 44/27 with <2500 AP would probably not give you the results you're looking for.

the trispec has 5/5 bladed armor, that will help offset some of the AP you lose from switching to 2 1handers, also, you can drop some of your hit/crit gems for pure str gems, or your hit trinket for a passive AP trinket. You really only need to maintain between 300-350 hit to dps effectively.

Try the 13/32/26 spec out and see how you like it - as with all the DW specs its very good at AoEing as well as single target.

The simple version of how to tri-spec is:
PS IT DC/BS DC/BS HB DC/BS

DC/BS means use DC if you have the RP, and if you don't then use a blood rune. On aoe packs all you need to do is pestilence instead of a BS and do pretty much the same rotation.

Hope this helps.

[Saeng]

I hate when people mention the DW hard hit cap.

Sorry.  Won't happen again.

[Monori]

To Nev:
Thx man, i really hope this will improve my dps a bit from where it was. If not i will reply to you again in hope of finding something new, but thanks for replying so quickly looking forward to test new specc and rotation.

Cheers, Monori.



A little question, is Virulence really necesarry with my hit? And i do like to have a bit longer time on my diseases... See if this is something that is wise to do. If not tell me why etc. And a comment on glyphs please. Thanks in advance...

[Pineapplerider]

Hey guys.  I've been kinda gaining interest in a dual wield spec after finding out about the HB change, hence why I'm here .  I've been looking at numbers for dual specs and saw that with the fairly same amount of gear their dps was higher than mine. http://wowwebstats.com/rinn5rrcqv6rg?s=66242-103003, best parse of Patchwerk that I have from a couple of weeks ago.  I kind of hover around 3-4k depending on the boss.

Here's my char for what my stats are atm.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Staghelm&n=Pineapplerdr

Yea I know some gear isn't enchanted/gemmed with the best things, it's mainly due to just replacing a piece etc.  And I know I'm WAY over hit for 2h and dw and I'm almost exalted with KotEB, so I'm gonna replace the boots I have now with the rep ones.

I was just wondering if 13/32/26 or 0/32/39 would be better for me with my current stats/gear.  For weapons I have Maexxna's Femur from 10 man Naxx and have access to the 1h from Wyrmrest for F/F or Knights if I wanted to use a S/F spec.

Also, I was wondering if the Sigil of Haunted Dreams is going to better with it's crit rating in 3.08 or will the new icy touch sigil be better?

Heh, sorry for the long post

[LaCroixNoir]

Hmm, hi there im a newcomling to this forum and all, i've been reading a lot of the stuff here but i just cant seem to decide what to go for with my gear, i've seen other pplz just putting theyre armory link here and ask for a descent specc, and thats just the thing im going to do .
Well link: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kul+Tiras&n=Monor%C3%AC
Well i should have alot of hit here, so what can you work out with it?

Now any tip is welcome but i'd really prefer a specc with a rotation both for aoe and for single targeting. I love aoe btw. Atm my dps through a VH heroic is around 2k and upwards till around 2,7k on a good day. I'd like that to go to 2,5k and up, increasing both 5 man and raid dps ofc. Well hope to hear from any of u soon, and i'd like a dw specc so i can test that out.

Long and naggy reply but i'd love to have someone to help me out here.

Cheers, Monori

Hm, Switching to any DW spec except 13/32/26 is going to be rough for you, your AP is a little on the low side since you're relying on bladed armor, witch is about 260 AP for you, your 2h is almost 200 AP as well. Switching to a 32/39 or 44/27 with <2500 AP would probably not give you the results you're looking for.

the trispec has 5/5 bladed armor, that will help offset some of the AP you lose from switching to 2 1handers, also, you can drop some of your hit/crit gems for pure str gems, or your hit trinket for a passive AP trinket. You really only need to maintain between 300-350 hit to dps effectively.

Try the 13/32/26 spec out and see how you like it - as with all the DW specs its very good at AoEing as well as single target.

The simple version of how to tri-spec is:
PS IT DC/BS DC/BS HB DC/BS

DC/BS means use DC if you have the RP, and if you don't then use a blood rune. On aoe packs all you need to do is pestilence instead of a BS and do pretty much the same rotation.

Hope this helps.

Nev perhaps you or Hymn could comment when it is beneficial to switch over to DW.  You've already commented on hit needing to be 300+ though you commented above that the AP was a little low except for the tri spec.  At what point is your AP sufficient to transition over (2h to DW)? And when can you switch to the other two specs?

Thank you both for this site.  Its a pleasure to read such mature and thoughtful posts. 

[Hymn]

i dont have hard numbers on this currently but I would say that you at least would do well to have 2500ap unbuffed. Note this is a guestimate.

[Maihes]

Read in another post people are favoring (enchant wise) FC MH and Berserking OH. Atm I use Cinder for the ~5-7k damage extra a proc (if both HB crit and no IT interfers with proc) but was debating moving to FC / FC for a more continuous rolling of the 640.8 AP it gives me in current gear.

I am also one of the people that favors the 44/27 spec (currently am 43 for the 1% more spell hit over FS till patch) where my crits (quite a few obviously do to KM) are much higher with HB, means more damage on add intensive fights, but I also found I lost damage (disregarding pet survivability) on single targets like Patch.

Weapons I have used for general testing are:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40264 x2. FC / Cinder
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40407 MH Split OH. FC / Cinder again


Above was posted on DK.Info as well

[Hymn]

I did the testing on this awhile back and found that the second FC didnt add much DPS, and that fc/cg was the best setup for personal dps. razorice is only a little behind cinderglacier and buffs your mages as well so that is why I use it.

[Domone]

Gemming question Hymn, n nice idea with your own page,


I've hit Hit cap for spells and melee, but now i'm not sure what to gem my sockets with, i was looking up on DKinfo n they mentioned using Raw Strength for reg sockets, The Str/Crit Gem for Yellows, and the AP/Stam gem for blues

but they also mentioned hitting expertise cap first?

Right now i have 0 expertise (my gear isn't the best right now, mainly blues, only like 3-4 epics)should i start socketing for expertise until i cap that? or is it not That crucial?

im currently using the 32/39 build atm

Thanks

[Eriskhaos]

For DW, and just about any DPS spec as a DK, you want to gem for strength after you have hit the specials hit cap(some people suggest going for spell hit, but still some debate on whether it's necessary or not).  So unless your socket bonus gives you something awesome, like 6+ strength, you want Strength gems in there. 

All of your abilities scale off of strength, so it's normally the best choice. Experitse doesn't have as much value for DPS as it does tanking, not to say it's useless, but strength is a better value.

Of course you probably have the crit meta, so you need to have 2 blues, but other than that you should have lots of reds.

[sixpackje]

agree on that str all the way whenever u fit all the other stuff like the blues for u meta and the hitcap