Holy Paladin 4 Piece Bonus

[Giggitee]

Item Set

    * Item - Paladin T11 Holy 4P Bonus now Grants 540 Spirit for 6 sec after you cast Holy Shock instead of 1620 Spirit whenever Holy Radiance is active.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2197-Patch-4.1-PTR-Build-13707#new_comment

So.

Holy Shock's cd is 6 seconds.
The buff of 540 lasts for 6 seconds.
As a holy paladin, holy shock's pretty much always on cooldown.

Friggin hot compared to the old 4pc bonus. So I raise ze question -

Is going for 4 pc and gaining crit/mastery as well as a constant 540 spirit worth more then the extra haste from off pieces.

If I did the math correctly, reforging included, it's about a 247 haste loss. >.>

[Liloya]

I would say that all is dependent on the amount of haste you currently have in your gear(Aka: Has to be over haste soft-cap), and how much haste you are willing to loose for the 4piece, or rather what you are comfortable with loosing.

Considering that both of your rings have primarily haste on them, and not spirit, it might be a good thing to switch out some pieces for your 4piece to regain more spirit then you would have had in two reforged rings that would have had spirit/crit or mastery reforging for the haste.

Seems like a good idea with the setup you currently have, loosing a little bit of haste for the 540 spirit.

If you don't need the regen or have no mana issues/never go oom, I would just keep with casting faster, but if you feel comfortable loosing the haste, go for it!

You already have a lot of haste I presume?


Sleepy sleepy time, so if I don't make sense, sorry. D:

[Giggitee]

Around 2k (25%) haste right now, add another 9% from Judgements of the Pure and I'm at 34%. Also, the pieces that I'd be replacing in the future with tier aren't big haste pieces either. I don't see any loss in going to 4 piece at all once 4.1 hits.

[Liloya]

Yeaap.

I'd go for it then!

It might be better to go for 2 haste rings now and just get your missing spirit from the 4piece plus more.

[Giggitee]

Yup. So Cho'gall's ring, probably Valiona's neck as well, and then hopefully Conclave is nice ><

[Giggitee]

So I played with numbers a bit... And it looks like the haste loss is going to be a bit more then I'd assumed.

This is going off the following gear lists.

http://tinyurl.com/3z5evsp

No tier is the way to go after all.

Because they're buffing Mastery in patch 4.1 I chose to keep Burden of Mortality over Reinforced Sapphirium Mantle in the option of no tier bonus. Meaning absolutely no tier for holy. I also chose Shroud of Endless Grief over Drape of the Twins for the same reasoning.

Lastly - and I posted this in Lyl's Holy Paladin BiS List thread - I view the value of Valiona's Medallion and Signet of the Fifth Circle over Wyrmbreaker's Amulet and Security Measure Alpha because of the pure haste over the minor spirit loss.

[Niromo]

Hey guys, as a main holy paladin before I came to you guys, I strongly suggest 4pc, off set piece luciky for us can be anything we like, in my opinion, I say have your shoulders as your off piece as its the hardest tier pc to work in for 372. Whatever works really tho, 372 chim shoulds + 4pc 372 other tier is easily achievable when we down nef soon.

Which by the way if any of you want tips or opinions, I've healed that fight as low as 19% for about 75 attempts on heroic 25.   

[Niromo]

You can crunch numbers, and test things out, but the 4pc acts like an extra trinket, and spirit outweighs haste to a point.. Imo, in heroics. I've been on the paragon forums off and on talking to people there and the concensus is all about preference and your role in the raid. Almost everyone is saying go for the 4pc in the patch. Its all or nothing really.

[Niromo]

So, I also wanna say you really only want 2200 raw spirit before you convert to haste, in the patch mastery will outweigh crit rather than being about on par, but I do still stand by the 4pc being worth it. But any 372 reg pc's will be more worthy than 359 tier pcs, thus meaning you shouldn't really use the 4pc till all 372 pcs

[Giggitee]

405 haste vs 540 spirit up all the time is how I view this. I don't see the spirit as big of a deal considering in 0 Tier and 372, we'd have 2300. That's plenty. With enough spirit, our next stat should be haste. Then (after 4.1) mastery, and then crit.

Ultimately, I guess it's your playstyle and how you manage your mana, but I see more value in the haste then the spirit.

[Liloya]

Depending on the encounter you kinda always wanna lean towards haste, the more of that you have the better. There is always a chance that people can spike on every encounter we've downed to the point of which if I cast slower, there is a possibility of death. As for the spirit? I don't really see anyone falling over dead because I lost myself 500 spirit within that encounter(Even if you calculated the amount of mana you would get out of it I would still believe it to be trivial.).

Also if your going oom in the encounter, your probably doing something terribly wrong... Most encounters have a kinda slowed down phase in them in which you have a lot of time to regain all of the mana you lost and you also have 3 different CD's to regain mana sometimes even more with trinkets.