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« on: July 16, 2009, 05:16:37 PM »

A lot of people on Khadgar ask me where I get all of my money.  The short answer is that I’m a total AH-whore.  The longer and more detailed answer includes getting to know your markets, finding ways to make repetitive tasks faster, and time.  In this post I’ll give tips on how I make my gold, and how I keep it even when Hymn keeps spending it all.

Must-have Mods

The meat of this guide lies in the mods I use to assist in my money-making schemes.

Auctioneer Suite
– This mod is where most of my time is saved, and there are many, many features that can help save you time and money.  It takes some getting used to, as it’s quite complicated, but it’s well worth your time.  Here are the best features:

    * Scanner – this will take a snapshot (usually 10 minutes) of the current auction house and everything in it.  This information is useful because you don’t have to then search the AH for every good you’re thinking about putting up for sale to find out the price.  You just mouse over the finished good in your recipe book, decide if it’s worth the mats, and craft away.

    * Post – Infinitely better than the standard WoW auction posting interface, this lets you post several of the same item at once, split however you would like it split (eg. 10 stacks of 2, or 5 stacks of 4, etc.)  I think this mod saves me the most time out of any other, as I have posted nearly 21,000 auctions since achievement tracking started.

    * Snatch – This is my *favorite* function.  You can set a list of items that you buy often, and set a maximum price you want to pay.  After you take an Auctioneer Snapshot, you can scan for your snatch items, all in one neat little window.  Using this function, I can find 100 stacks of ore under or equal to my minimum price, and buy them all within 15 seconds.

    * Resale – This feature requires you to set a minimum profit, and then searches the latest snapshot for items that have been posted under the market price.  The idea is that you then buy that item and resell it for a profit.  Being able to control both the percentage and volume of gold you deem worth it makes this feature really cool.

    * Beancounter – This feature tends to be a bit buggy and doesn’t seem to capture everything I sell, but in essence it is a searchable database of everything you’ve ever sold or bought.

Postal
– This mod allows you to open all your mail at the same time, inventory space allowing.  You can make it open only expired auctions, only auctions sent to you by other people, only won auctions, or any combination of sources you can think of.

Onebag3 – I know this sounds silly, but having a single inventory window instead of 5 separate ones *really* helps to keep me organized while I’m crafting and selling.  It’s a personal preference thing, but I dig it and this is the best mod I’ve found for it.

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The rest of my guide consists of general tips, and how I use the above mods to my advantage.

Don’t be a Pack Rat

This is a tip contested by many, but the simple fact of the matter is that if something is sitting in your inventory or bank, it’s not making you money.  If you know you’re going to need something later, then by all means, save it.  But if you’re unsure, selling it is the smartest way to go.  After all, you can always just buy it back or farm it later.  An exception to this is stockpiling things to sell for a new patch, and I do this quite often – which brings me to my next point.

Preparing Goods for Patches

I would say that 50% of my cash is made on Patch days and the short time following them.  Spend time stocking gems and cutting them into popular stat cuts, putting the most popular enchants on scrolls, making spell threads, patches, glyphs, whatever your market niche is.  Post them on the auction house the night before the patch hits (if you know when that is).  Lots of people plan ahead and make sure they have all of their gear enhancements ready for the patch, but a greater number don’t bother until the day of.

Another good patch-day tip is to make yourself available, and post in trade chat with your skills.  Even if you don’t usually make a lot from crafting tips, the sheer volume should be worth it.  After all, you can keep an eye on your goods and restock the AH while you’re tradespamming.

Spending Money to Make Money

I will admit that people with farming professions often are pretty much robbed of their goods, with how low the prices can get for ore, herbs and other trade goods.  And yes, I take full advantage of this.  The time I spend not farming on my alt is spent buying 10 times the number of goods and converting them into more expensive products.  Maybe I’m a slow farmer, but the value of what I can farm in Icecrown on my herb/miner alt is far inferior to the number I can make in an hour in Orgrimmar, even accounting for the fact that I also spend a great deal of money in that time.

Buy in Bulk

If you advertise that you are buying things in bulk, you’ll often get friendly people that will auto-COD all of their farming goods to you.  This is beneficial to both parties, as there is often a lower price involved for you, and the farmer then doesn’t have to worry about both finding a buyer, or paying AH cuts and deposits.

Patience is a Virtue

If an item you want to sell is lower than usual on the AH, it doesn’t hurt to wait until the price rises again.  Flooding the market only drives the price down further, and your patience will be rewarded.  Some items this won’t make much of a difference on, but it’s meant a larger profit margin by at least 30 per gem on several of my gem cuts.

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So what do I do specifically?  Here’s a list:

    * I try to keep around 150-200 auctions up at any time;  these are about half enchants and half gems.  I keep the popular cuts up at all times, and often some of the less posted in case someone needs them.

    * I always use the AH for trading.  You just get trolls if you try to sell stuff in /2.

    * Something specific to JC/Enchanting (my professions) that I do, is save all of the crappy green gems from the mass prospecting that I do, and make Bloodstone Band, Crystal Chalcedony Amulet, Crystal Citrine Necklace, and Sun Rock Ring, purchasing the Eternal Earth from the AH.  I then blow these up into enchanting mats.  This is a lot of work, but well worth it, as you get a large amount of mats for a tiny cost.

    * I make my own Armor and Weapon vellums on my alt.

I think that’s about it for my usual AH tricks.  If you have any questions, feel free to comment or ask me in game
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2009, 02:46:01 PM »

I don't think I've EVER had that many auctions up at one time.

You are one scary AH tycoon.


Regardless, that guide was rather nicely put together, and I found a lot of very useful information.  Hopefully I can fix my problem of being poor on my Hordies.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2009, 05:52:02 PM »

Thats one awesome guide!! Knew a few, but also learned a few things, woot =D

Speaking of saving for a patch; I was gathering herbs back in BC to make one of my characters an Alchemist. When i found out about 3.0 and putting in Inscription early I saved all those herbs and made a bundle when patch hit! :D Definitely one of my better decisions lol. I made like 2k+ gold really easily.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2009, 10:16:34 PM »

Something that i use a lot and is a very "under the radar" mod in that from what i know, not a lot of ppl use it (every time i mention it ppl are like "HUHWHA"?) is Little Sparky's workshop.

Basically, it adds your Auctioneer scandata into your profession panes and tells you the median cost of the materials to make whatever it is you're making, and the median price of the end product when it sells.

It's hugely profitable if you are just looking to make the most money for your time on things like gems, enchants, scrolls, etc. However, what Amy said above about knowing your market is key when using it... you might see a huge profit margin on something unsellable like a glyph that would be the worst possible choice for anyone.

Here are a few screenshots in action.

Keep in mind the left column is the sale value, and the right column is the cost of mats.



Here we can see that Titanweave is roughly a 200G markup on a scroll just for your time, while scourgebane actually costs more to make than to put up. A huge disclaimer on these as they are really expensive recipes - don't make these right away they most likely won't sell. I just picked this screenshot because of the contrast in scandata values.



Here it's quickly showing that while Glyph of Arcane Blast and Scorch are hugely profitable, Icy Veins and Ice Block are not worth the mats to even craft.

Again it's not an insta-get rich quick mod, however, it really helps me in identifying what i'm going to sell if i have 500 green gems and/or enchants to sell and a lot of time on my hands.

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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2009, 10:54:03 AM »

Just adding for posterity - It looks like you can set the value module to display current MBO instead of the historical scan data. I mistakenly answered no to this question when asked the other night.

This just made it a lot more profitable for me!

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2009, 11:04:07 PM »

Ohhh nice tip!! Smiley I will try this out <3 i have a horrible memory when it comes to knowing prices

for those wondering, download is here; http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7663-LilSparkysWorkshop.html
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2009, 02:27:44 PM »

I would be interested to know what the motivation is for this sort of dedication to wealth collection in WoW. Even someone like Omega, Khadgars traveling salesman, I just don't think I could ever be that motivated. I guess if there were more things to buy with gold I might feel different. There are a few expensive mounts like the chopper and mammoth. But I find the real tangible awesome things in WoW don't involve gold. What keeps you guys and gals going?
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2009, 02:30:34 PM »

I would be interested to know what the motivation is for this sort of dedication to wealth collection in WoW. Even someone like Omega, Khadgars traveling salesman, I just don't think I could ever be that motivated. I guess if there were more things to buy with gold I might feel different. There are a few expensive mounts like the chopper and mammoth. But I find the real tangible awesome things in WoW don't involve gold. What keeps you guys and gals going?

A lot of this can be applied on more than an individual level - for instance, we need to cover raid repairs, flasks, potions, upgrades, instant gems, etc. It takes a ton of gold to keep a raid going.

I suppose it's also a sort of...mini-game for people.

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2009, 02:32:55 PM »

I would be interested to know what the motivation is for this sort of dedication to wealth collection in WoW. Even someone like Omega, Khadgars traveling salesman, I just don't think I could ever be that motivated. I guess if there were more things to buy with gold I might feel different. There are a few expensive mounts like the chopper and mammoth. But I find the real tangible awesome things in WoW don't involve gold. What keeps you guys and gals going?

It's the same reason some people collect mounts or pets. We collect gold. Just so we can have it. Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2009, 02:39:28 PM »

For one, I really like the social aspect of spamming my professions in trade chat.  For another, I really, really like having all the money I need to blow on stuff.  For example, when Wrath came out I had 40k.  For BC I think this was a pretty gross amount of cash, yet I ended up spending it all the way down to 2k, even while making more at the same time.  So for me it's a cover-my-bases type of thing.  

And then that way if there's a new, really expensive mount coming out, or I really want to buy loads of Titanium Ore and Powder at ridiculously inflated prices, I can and not really bat at eye at the prices.  And if my husband wants to roll a brand-new mage, I can get him decked out with crafted epics the minute he hits 80, and not care.
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